Dale D. Smith
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Dave, have you ever had a look at your Egyptians? Those beautiful Foundry gems are screaming out for attention. Some of the lads have started 10mm Ancient armies I believe and there is no holding Gordon back once he gets his teeth into a theme.
I have an alterior motive. I'd like to see how you get on with the Kevin Dalimore method for painting whites and there's got to be lots of them in an Egyptian army. Also my Hittites and Sea Peoples await a suitable advesary.
Unfortunately Dave Thomas didn't have copies of the Crusader Ancients rules at Carronade. Does anyone in the club have a copy of them for a look. I'll get a copy later but want to have look at unit sizes, basing, organisation and generally how they work compared with WAB.
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| Posted May 16, 2010, 8:45 pm |
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Gordon
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Well ANYTHING compares favourably with WAB!!!!!!!!
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| Posted May 16, 2010, 10:04 pm |
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kingsleypark
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I have borrowed a set of the Crusader rules from my pal Alan. I'm sure he won't mind me lending them out
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| Posted May 16, 2010, 10:16 pm |
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Gordon
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BTW Dale, 10mm Ancients is nothing to do with me, all my Ancients are in God's true scale. Everyone knows that the Roman Empire was built using 15mm troops. 
Tho having said that, if I didnt have a thousand or so 15mm sitting there, I would indeed be tempted by the nice 10s, for mass effect theres no beating having 10 figs in the same space as 2 of your toy soldiers.
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| Posted May 17, 2010, 8:23 am |
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MexicanDave
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I can report that the Egyptians have been sorted out into units for painting. They will be painted this year. I don't know when as presently there is some Mexicans, Modern US and Kraytonian infantry awaiting paint.
Now I am been interested in the Crusader rules as well and I did see a copy I think at Falkirk.
Might be worth a look.
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| Posted May 17, 2010, 10:33 pm |
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Dale D. Smith
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David M., yes, I'd like to have a quick look at the Crusader rules, even if it's just a few minutes at the club on Friday 18th. I have the Macedonian/Punic Wars supplement but I've never seen the main ruleset. I'm hoping they'll be useful for the various Ancients armies I've been putting together over the past coupe of years Macedonians, Greeks, Thracians, Scythians and eventually Persians.
I need a ruleset which will handle small games with a couple of hundreds per side up to several thousand with fairly large units. I think I'll have to pick Gordon's brains again.
It may be that something akin to Warmaster might be what's needed but scaled up for 28mm. Units of Persian cavalry with a hundred figures in a large unit sounds a bit steamrollerish but it probably worked against the many peoples surrounding them. The Macedonains of course had other ideas and soon made short work of these megaunits.
Not that the Macedonians were invincible. Look at the trouble the Thracians gave them including completely wiping out a sizeable army. With their rather nasty habit of taking heads, headcounting must have become a national pastime.
The Getae on the plains around the Danube were a problem for everyone in the area. In addition to "heads" they had the additional hygene problems associated with nomadic horse tribes. Their neighbours north and east of the Danube, the various Scythian tribes, fought for and against everybody. Colour and muck abound.
Sounds a bit like wargamers really, which must be why we are attracted to them.
They will be coming to a wargames table near you this year. If you don't see them , youll smell them. A bucket of horse manure under the table could add the final touch. Oh! Have I gone too far?
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| Posted Jun 10, 2010, 11:14 pm |
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Gordon
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Yep Dale WM Ancients is perfectly do-able in 28mm, just take a standard 40mm x 20mm base and expand it to say 60mm x 25mm. Fit 4 figs on it, 3 bases to the unit, jobs done. You lose the mass effect of the wee guys, but it gets your big boys on the table with a ruleset that doesnt bog down in trivialities.
You'll get (very) fast moving games, really depends on you ability to roll double 1s repeatedly, ask Dave about that one "Ach, plenty time, I'll get a few shots in as they cross that bit of ground!"
"Units of Persian cavalry with a hundred figures in a large unit" perfectly acceptable (well almost), the best you'd manage would be brigading 4 units (12 figs a unit) and just using that as a steamroller. BUT if you used a couple of commanders, one per brigade, 96 is pretty close to 100, it would just be unweildy and difficult to keep together as a unit, ooops, thats pretty much how it would handle in real life, I just love these rules.
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| Posted Jun 11, 2010, 8:08 am |
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Dale D. Smith
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You comments about Warhammer Ancients noted Gordon. Will chat with you about it on Sunday.
David M, if you are reading this, I'd still like to have a look at the Crusader ancients rules before buying them. See you on Sunday.
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| Posted Jun 25, 2010, 7:32 pm |
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kingsleypark
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| Dale D. Smith said: | You comments about Warhammer Ancients noted Gordon. Will chat with you about it on Sunday.
David M, if you are reading this, I'd still like to have a look at the Crusader ancients rules before buying them. See you on Sunday. |
No problem Dale. I actually picked up a copy for myself for a fiver on the bring n buy at Wappinshaw so will bring them along
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| Posted Jun 25, 2010, 9:39 pm |
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Gordon
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Thats WARMASTER Ancients Dale, not the quite horrible Snorehammer Ancients.
you can have a flick through here :
http://www.kirriemuirwargamesclub.co.uk/files/wma.pdf
The rules are very simple, however they do model very nicely the problems of co-ordinating ancient troops on the battlefield. Stuff like getting the last phalanx to move into combat with the rest of them, just because you want them to doesnt mean they will. However if the dice gods are kind you can see your light cavalry covering the entire length of the battlefield in one turn.
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| Posted Jun 26, 2010, 8:26 am |
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Gordon
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ooops, just tried basing some hoplites Dale, 60 x 25 just isnt gonna cut the mustard, way too small to fit 4 of those guys in. So I'm upping my base size to 80 x 40, why the big jump?? Easy its the next (sensible) size that Warbases do as standard, and 4 Hoplites look ok on it. Dont know and havent tried to think about your Persian cavalry base size yet, but if you go for 80 wide for infantry then you have to stick with the same width bases for cavalry as well, so you'll probably only manage 3 cavalry to a base unless the horses are really skinny.
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| Posted Jul 2, 2010, 11:52 am |
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Gordon
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Oh and just realised that 80mm frontage for 4 guys is perfect for Snorehammer Ancient Battles as well.
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| Posted Jul 19, 2010, 5:06 pm |
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Dale D. Smith
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Yo Gogs! I should report that I have already based up around 250 cavalry on 25 x 50/25 x50 mm bases. The infantry are on 20mm square singles, 20mm x 40mm doubles but mostly on 40mm x 40mm groups of four. I think this will allow them to be used for WAB, Crusader and other rules. In addition I have some light infantry on 25mm square, doubles, quads, etc. and psiloi/skirmishers on 30mm discs. The command groups are on 40/50/60mm discs depending on how important they are.
I still haven't seen the Crusader Ancients rules. Dave's were the same as mine (Dark Ages). Is there a dedicated Ancients set and does anyone in the club have them already? If so, can you let me see them on Sunday.
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| Posted Jul 19, 2010, 8:00 pm |
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kingsleypark
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Dale, just to confirm I picked up the ancients supplement for the crusader rules for you at claymore. The nice mr Thomas sold it to me for £10. No doubt if he knew I was buying it for u he would have charged me double.
I also have the drapes that the club bought from S & A Scenics. As I've said elsewhere won't b at the club on Friday so if u can get thru to Arbroath before then u can pick that and the other bits and pieces I have Inc the prizes and your river
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| Posted Aug 10, 2010, 6:14 pm |
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kingsleypark
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| kingsleypark said: | Dale, just to confirm I picked up the ancients supplement for the crusader rules for you at claymore. The nice mr Thomas sold it to me for £10. No doubt if he knew I was buying it for u he would have charged me double.
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Dale - just been re-reading your posts and you say that you have the Macedonian and Punic supplement for the Crusader rules already - As far as I am aware that IS the ancients version of the Crusader rules in which case I've just bought you a second copy but no worries I'll keep it for myself.
Also and no doubt Gordon will reach for his vomit bag at this next statement- 2nd Edition WAB has been purchased and is on it's way!
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